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by ranfuchs @ 23/02/2008 - 15:32:10

What do we, as a society, have against prostitution? Why do so many have so much against it?

1. We all sell parts of ourselves for money, the only question is which part.
2. At least with prostitution you get what you pay for, unlike many other business (say my car mechanic, or the new toy I just bought for my kids last week)
3. In many other businesses you feel that you got f__d (last night’s restaurant, for instance). When you pay a prostitution, you are the one doing the f__ing.

So let’s recognise prostitution for what it is; an honest trade where you get what you pay for. As such, let’s introduce certificates, health checks and quality awards. Maybe then we will be able to fight the horrendous crimes of human trafficking and modern-day slavery.

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jenrayjenray pro
http://www.jenniferhunter.co.uk
2008-02-23 @ 15:54

I agree completely with you on the last part and you're never going to wipe out the oldest profession in the world LOL, but human trafficking and modern day slavery is an absolute disgrace in this century...the bastards that do it should have every possible obstacle placed in their way so the unfortunate victims they get hold of will cease to be profitable for them...terrifying ordeal for them...I cannot imagine such a degrading and ruinous situation to find yourself trapped in...and you should name the restaurant...HLOL...it might save others from wasting their money...big hugs....

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-02-23 @ 16:35

moral rigidity has always given great opportunity to undesirable elements in society

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deleted user [Visitor]

2008-03-13 @ 11:55

so has moral fluidity

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-03-13 @ 22:08

in my case, no moral

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amanda32amanda32 [Member]
2008-02-23 @ 16:13

i couldn't agree more. it seems the government are looking at banning private ads in local papers as there are a lot of brothels disguising their business!! yes....and? We all know wot these private ads are, who does it bother? Things can only get worse if they start down this road!!
There is obviously a need for this service as it has been around since the start of time, so bloody wot......??????

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-02-23 @ 16:37

so lets admit it's there. Accept it, regulate it, and protect both clients and girls, while cutting the criminal elements out.

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amanda32amanda32 [Member]
2008-02-23 @ 17:40

I totally agree, u should be a politician lol!
And like pretty inteligent princess, i too would like to know where the mail prostitutes are???

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-02-23 @ 18:18

mail prostitutes? not sure
male prostitutes, on the other hand, are all around you. Every male has a bit of a prostitute in him. The question is only how big is that bit? :>

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PrettyintelligentprincessPrettyintelligentprincess [Member]
2008-02-23 @ 17:02

I think we should follow the example set by some forward thinking countries with regards to prostitution...health checks and a regulated industry are certainly the ways forward.
Just a thought...as a woman, where do I find a male prostitute? You never see ads for them like you do for female services offered.

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-02-23 @ 17:09

under the Gigolo section, of course. Or escort services as they are politically correctly phrased

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aquamudaquamud [Member]
2008-02-23 @ 19:58

i agree

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-02-23 @ 20:01

tks. I think it't the very first time you agree with me, isn't it :)

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funkdifinofunkdifino pro
2008-02-23 @ 22:47

Yup, absolutely legalize and regulate the sex industry so it is safe for women who ply an invaluable but degraded profession and whilst we're about it legalise drugs as well then drug addicts wouldn't need to commit crimes in order to pay for their hits, the government could make lots of lovely tax pounds to pay for treatment centres and organized crime would wither....which is why they'll never do it...the power of the black economy..by which thngs happen by the back door and wheels of industry keep turning...
They've always got to pander to the moral majority even though we are supposed to live in a secular country....I have nothing against honest prostitution- it is the legal kind that involves wedding rings and hypocrisy I can't stand.

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-02-23 @ 22:55

Since old days we always considered sending people to kill and get killed, morally superior to having sex. This was our excuse executing nations around the world.

We call it civilization

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deleted user [Visitor]

2008-03-13 @ 11:57

"They've always got to pander to the moral majority even though we are supposed to live in a secular country...."

Does secularism mean no morality then?

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-03-13 @ 22:10

Doesn't religion mean no morality?

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DominicGeeDominicGee [Member]
2008-02-23 @ 23:05

Is prostitution a good thing? I can understand the logic of your argument, but I feel you've left out the human element. Is it merely a coincidence that so many prostitutes are also hard drug users? Yes, some of them are forced into taking drugs etc, but for many, heroin and crack use is their way of escaping the dehumanising nature of their job. And it is exploitation - it doesn't matter that it is also the man being exploited, if anything the fact that both are being exploited makes it worse. Can you think of other elements in society where is would just be easier to legalise than defend against? The logic that you use I think can be applied to many other 'vices' that definitely would be a bad thing. hmmm?

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funkdifinofunkdifino pro
2008-02-23 @ 23:18

If you give people a fair choice and other possibilities then you have to allow that for some people fitting into the usual 9 to 5 isn't an option and they will still choose prostitution. They still deserve to be unionised and safe at work.
At present a lot of sex industry workers use drugs to deal with the dreadful conditions they are forced to work under and the risks they have to take. They are exploited as we all are as wage slaves within capitalism, however their role has very low status...reflected in the violence against prostitutes which is rarely even reported let alone investigated.
Prostitutes can help men to whom traditional avenues of sexual release are not available, is that an exploitative situation ? Or is that compassion.
Certain types of prostitution is highly specialised and highly skilled and acts very much like seeing a therapist once a week...and if I could get paid to beat the backside of a high court judge blue and make him clean my toilet with his tongue -I may well be tempted....

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-02-23 @ 23:24

and to be honest, I can't even see what's morally wrong with it. Why is it worse than being a shopkeeper, or a plumber?

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-02-23 @ 23:18

I am not asking if it's good or bad . It's just like asking if it's good that we were created sexual being (many creatures are not) or that we need to eat. This is the way we are.

Generations have tried to fight it. At biblical times (as well as some countries today) they would stone prostitutes and their clients. They didn't stop it. So if you can't stop it, lets try and control it.

Alcohol was illegal, it lead to the gang wars in US in the 30s. Now it's legal, it creates new problems, but solves many others.

So if you can't fight it control it.

Other vices? Make drugs legal and you have pulled the carpet under so much of the crime in our street. It will not resolve crime, but it will not be a cause for it any more. How much of youth gangs are drug related?

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deleted user [Visitor]

2008-03-13 @ 12:04

You're right - homosexuality was a 'vice' 50 years ago, now it's fine. Drugs is a 'vice', we should now make it fine. Gambling and prostitution are also 'vices' but they can be legalized so they are no longer a problem. Next up Paedophilia - that's a vice now, but with kids growing up so fast, who's to say what will happen in 20 years or so? The only reason it's not legal now is because children are not regarded as mature enough to make decisions of this nature i.e. they are forced into it. But then again, many vices are forced upon us, prostitution, drugs and gambling are addictions that should be legalized.

Are you also assuming that that only thing wrong with prostitution is that it's illegal? Without the moral brigade constantly pushing it underground, it would be a perfectly acceptable trade to ply.

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-03-13 @ 22:16

I think it is more respectable trade than many others. As long as you get the service you pay for, I see no moral problem whatsoever. You want it you buy, you don't you don't buy.

I have less of a problem with people buying sex, than people buying useless jewelry, for instance

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DominicGeeDominicGee [Member]
2008-02-24 @ 00:28

I understand the historical and practical reasoning behind it, but I am sure there is a reason that for hundreds of years it has been a maligned trade. I don;t think it can just be blamed on religious fervour or social norms. You can ask any parent or any background and I don't think they'll be thrilled to hear their daughter is becoming a hooker. The same argument can be applied to many of the things that you object to in society, i.e. capitalism. We'll if you can't fight 'em, join em. And that's what a lot of people do. I don't think it comes down to practicality, it comes down to complacency in my view. Why bother fighting politicians if nothing ever changes? Why object to civil liberties being eroded if no one listens? Why send your children to a good school if they're just gonna end up like the rest of us - working for the man and being exploited. I also don't agree with the concept that we are 'sexual' creatures. We are also murderous, imperious, and selfish. Do we just roll over and accept it? people complain of being screwed by 'the man' but literally spreading your legs for money has got to take a serious dose of cynicism and doubt in yourself and humanity. For me, it works the same for drugs, but simply not calling it a problem does not mean its not a problem. I don't have a problem with some drugs, i enjoy them myself, but i'm not going to pretend that some of them are not so damaging that they can be legalised and sold for profit by the government. I'm rambling, but i think i said something.

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-02-24 @ 06:22

Do you drink alcohol? If you lived in the 30s it was illegal
Have you ever practiced oral sex? In many places in the world its still illegal
Do you believe that the Church never makes a mistake? Until not so long ago such a belief was enough to burn you alive
Should women vote? enjoy sex? be allowed out of the house without face covers?

All these were things that have been practiced for hundreds of years and were accepted as norm. I feel that we have moved a long way. But many of the old beliefs are still around. Religious and ‘that’s the way it’s always been’ are often the only reason.

I am happy that the inquisition days are over (only lasted for about 500 years) and that the control of the church is over (nearly 1000 years), but there is much more that we can and should do

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kaimi0achavakaimi0achava [Member]
2008-02-24 @ 00:59

Legalize prostitution? I see most here are for this. I think it is a rather simplistic view that this would, at a stroke, solve all the problems relating to this.

So, where are the brothels going? Next door to you?

Better health care? So of course all women would seek health care once legalised because, obviously, the stigma of prostitution would dissapear. Any complaint made by a prostitute would be treated by the police with the same dignity and respect as an ordinary citizen would receive.

Fact, legal or not, the stigma remains the same.

Alot of women prostitutes do not want to draw attention to themselves and what they do. Legalisation results in the loss of this anonymity. Once officially registered, this designation would pursue then for the rest of their lives.

Drug issues and prostitution are 2 seperate issues. They might overlap but this does not make them 1 issue.

Legalization will not stop women from being forcibly exploited by others. Before we legalize we should closely watch the effects this has made in countries that have gone down this road. Netherlands and more recently (2003) NZ.

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-02-24 @ 06:51

Car factories are legal but cannot be built in your neighbourhood. This is the beauty of legalisation, you control it. I am not sure where you live, but it's likely that there is an illegal brothel somewhere not far from you anyway.

Stigma? You mean like the stigma of women going to work? Like being gay? Like women wearing a bikini. Some stigmas go, some stay. People minds take generations to change. But it’s easier to be legal with a stigma than illegal with one

Why shouldn't prostitutes get the police protection? Lucky that we catch murders of prostitutes. In some areas of Pakistan, for instance, they don't even bother with murderers of women, because all women are prostitutes in potential.

Some prostitutes don't want to attract attention to themselves? So you are against legalising prostitution because you want to help prostitutes? This is an interesting point of view. But is it consistent with the other views you express here, or is it just possible that you are so emotionally against prostitution, that you simply try to find all arguments that can be used against it, consistent or not.

My viewpoint is different. I don't want to castrate men who go to prostitutes, or stone prostitutes. I don’t want to put them in jail other. I just believe that people should do, at their home, whatever they want to as long as it stays at their homes.

Lets see it as a fact, if Iran can’t get rid of prostitution we can’t. We can't even get rid of the violence and crime in the streets, which are much more of a problem in this country. From all 'crimes' it’s really a minor one and when legalised and controlled has little effect on society, far less than Alcohol and violent video games (see the case of Perth for instance). In addition, illegal prostitution is a great money supply for organised crime.

And there is one more important thing that drives me: I believe in human dignity. Anyone who is not maliciously evil, deserves dignity and protection of the law. I know it's not a common view, but this is my belief.

I am not naïve, I don’t think that legalising prostitution will solve all our problems. But I want to be closer to the ideal of a liberal state than to the inquisition or the stale of Iran.

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kaimi0achavakaimi0achava [Member]
2008-02-24 @ 23:16

‘Stigma? You mean like the stigma of women going to work? Like being gay? Like women wearing a bikini.’ Where do you get this from, I worry about what you class as a stigma! The point was, once in this profession how easy is it to get out? Its bad enough now, if legalized their previous profession would be on their record. How many employers will find a reason to reject an applicant when in reality the reason is their former profession?

“Why shouldn't prostitutes get the police protection? “ Why not indeed? But in reality, will they be treated the same? Regarding Pakistan, we are talking about Western attitudes here, that is a red herring.

‘Some prostitutes don't want to attract attention to themselves? So you are against legalising prostitution because you want to help prostitutes? ‘ And that is wrong? I have never said anywhere that I want to punish prostitutes or that I was against the legalization of prostitution.

‘And there is one more important thing that drives me: I believe in human dignity. Anyone who is not maliciously evil, deserves dignity and protection of the law.’ You assume, or is it accuse, me of not believing in human dignity or is it the majority view of this country you accuse? ‘I know it's not a common view,’.

‘ I don’t think that legalising prostitution will solve all our problems.’ Which has been my point all along!!! All the posts have agreed with the proposition in the belief it will solve so many if not all our problems (correct me if I am wrong). I think it may bring a lot of extra problems with it. My fear is not the morality of the women who CHOSE the trade, but legalisation of the sex industry includes ALL THOSE IN THE TRADE. This includes the unscrupulous pimps and Crime syndicates that run illegal brothels, suddenly they become self employed business men. Overnight these men that exploit women for money become pillars of the community.
We must protect and help those that are forced into prostitution.

Child prostitution in the Netherlands has increased dramatically during the 1990s. The Amsterdam-based Child Right organization estimates that the number has gone from 4,000 children in 1996 to 15,000 in 2001.

We must go into this with our eyes open. We must learn from others mistakes

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-02-25 @ 06:12

"I'd like to see a sunset... Do me a favor your majesty... Command the sun to set."
"If I commanded a general to fly from one flower to the next like a butterfly, or to write a tragedy, or to turn into a seagull, and if the general did not carry out my command, which of us would be in the wrong, the general or me?"

"You would be," said the little prince quite firmly.

"Exactly. One must command from each what each can perform," the king went on. "Authority is based first of all upon reason. If you command your subjects to jump in the ocean, there will be a revolution. I am entitled to command obedience because my orders are reasonable."

"Then my sunset?" insisted the little prince, who never let go of a question once he had asked it.

"You shall have your sunset. I shall command it. But I shall wait, according to my science of government, until conditions are favorable."

"And when will that be?" inquired the little prince.

"Well, well!" replied the king, first consulting a large calender. "Well, well! That would be around... around... that would be tonight around seven-forty! And you'll see how well I'm obeyed."

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karriakarria [Member]
2008-02-24 @ 08:47

hmmmmm.... i do agree: prostitution shoul be legalized.

what i find interesting in this discussion is a question asked above: is being a prostitute worse than being a plumber? I get the feeling that the answer you're fishing for is no. but then if i imagine my close friend looking for a job, i'd rather he chose a plumber...

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-02-24 @ 21:18

I don't fish for answer, but I know families that would be horrified if they find their daughter turning a house cleaner, rather than a doctor, for instance

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karriakarria [Member]
2008-02-25 @ 11:26

what I meant is that while i would be able to accept my daughter turning into a house cleaner, im not sure how i would react to her being a prostitute...

the problem seems to be simple when we speak about 'somebody else', a stranger but it gets a lot more complicated (to me) when Im trying to imagine the whole thing happening in my life...

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-02-25 @ 11:57

I agree. As hard as we may try, none of us is free of prejudice. The environment we grew up in, we carry to the rest of our lives

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DominicGeeDominicGee [Member]
2008-02-24 @ 16:13

Is this consistent: if being a prostitute is know worse than selling any other wares, i.e. selling goods or services, does that mean rape is no worse than regualr petty theft? Why is rape condemned as one of the worst of crimes, only below murder? Surely if I steal a womans handbag, it is equal to rape seeing as a woman's body is just another commodity.
Just because the church objected to something does not mean that now we have to embrace it. You will agree that the world we live in now is a lot more controlled and monitored than it has ever been. Prostitution and other vices were still rife during the time of 'the church's' control - so they clearly weren't THAT influential. But even now that people no longer look to religion for guidance, prostitution is still considered a 'bad thing'. IS that purely because it was unregulated.
On another point, government's ALWAYS cock things up. There's not one thing that they can or have ever done right. If the majority of the people in this country think prostitution should be legalized, so be it; but I am not about to let it happen simply because the government can't do the job they are commissioned with.

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-02-24 @ 21:09

Can you just remind me what is that they are commissioned with?

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DominicGeeDominicGee [Member]
2008-02-24 @ 23:12

What a government is MEANT to do is what we tell them to do. As I say, if the majority of people in this country want to legalise prostitution then so be it, personally i don't. But I do not agree with legalising it simply because they find it too hard to prevent - only with a mandate from the people should they ever consider doing such a thing. For me, this applies to everything. I am also aware that we do not live in a democratic country, but ideally, that is what will ahppen. Can I direct your attention to a sometimes rather good blog that talks about this sort of thing (not mine, one i found) called New Model Democracy. I think you'll find some interesting reading. I have to say, i'm surprised at the responses to your blog - i was under the impression that most people thought prostitution wasn't very nice. Or maybe people only write comments if they agree. ho hum.

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-02-25 @ 06:01

You mean like the mandate to go to IRAQ, raise taxed, or increase their own pay?

Where is the blog you are talking about? Can you send me its URL?

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DominicGeeDominicGee [Member]
2008-02-25 @ 09:36

Those things should never have happened. Once politicians start acting without our consent, they are no longer democratic. THat's the country we live in and it's up to us to change it.

new-model-democracy.blog.co.uk

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joebanglesjoebangles [Member]
2008-02-24 @ 22:47

Your post has my full support ranfuchs, trouble is that no MP has the guts to go there. (well, maybe they do GO there but they wouldn't admit that)

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-02-25 @ 05:58

lets not clean things we are too afraid to talk about. Just the leaders we need. :>

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kiki2ukiki2u [Member]
http://www.kikita.blog.co.uk
2008-02-28 @ 07:59

Great post Ran. :)
I agree with you, i have lots of afraid of that human-trafficking and human slavery and here in continent that is turning a HUGE problem!
xxx
Kiki

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-03-01 @ 00:20

but some prefer to leave the problem, just to ignore the problem of prostitution. Let's pretend and doesn't exist, maybe it will not hurt us.

Great to have you back here :)

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http://aphrodite1970.blog.de
2008-02-28 @ 22:47

Interesting post...

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-03-01 @ 00:22

Interesting, is an interesting comment

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deleted user [Visitor]
http://aphrodite1970.blog.de
2008-03-01 @ 11:14

yep....in stead of completely useless I´ve tried the "interesting" comment.

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-03-01 @ 11:20

Is it a step up or down?

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deleted user [Visitor]
http://aphrodite1970.blog.de
2008-03-01 @ 21:06

I hope down! "interesting" is even worse as "useless". We really have to try to go for the "most stupid comments ever".

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-03-01 @ 21:21

still up is better than down. At least that is what we, male, learnt to believe

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deleted user [Visitor]
http://aphrodite1970.blog.de
2008-03-01 @ 21:33

Then STAY! (oh...sorry....let me go for a few seconds)

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TomTheCatTomTheCat [Member]
2008-03-01 @ 13:10

how many prostitutes do you know?
and how frequently do you use (i mean pay) them?
are you always satisfied with all of them?
and which practice do you prefer?

i just ask, because i didn't use this service yet...
and i always place myself in the shoes of others, before i judge! and i must say, the most women i meet in public places i could not take in bed! i just wouldn't... not even for money...

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-03-01 @ 14:38

I don't think how my experience or lack of it, is of any relevance to the question of prostitution, or to your own experiences.

Each of us has his own beliefs, thinking and feelings, and that is the only thing that really matters.

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TomTheCatTomTheCat [Member]
2008-03-01 @ 14:43

sorry, but i think, own experience has relevance of highest degree!
especially in this matter.
please, work in the sex-business for one year, and i bet, you'll change your opinion quite tremendously...

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-03-01 @ 14:50

Why? Do you truly think that those who work in the sex industry, want it to remain an illegal trade?

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TomTheCatTomTheCat [Member]
2008-03-01 @ 14:56

no, why? is it illegal? that's new to me!
but that's not my point. it was rather the endless talk about unexperienced matters...
but, it's alright then...

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-03-01 @ 15:22

In many countries it is.
But if we are not talking about the legality of the issue, I am not sure I follow your argument. I never claimed that its good to be a prostitute (or a banker for that matter), or that it is good to go and visit one. This is a personal choice. My argument was that by legalising it, it will be better for those who take it as a profession, for those who chose to use their services, and for reducing the amount of crime related to human trafficking. To which part do you object when you say I need to have experience?

do you have to experience death penalty to be against it?
do you have to fight wars to be a pacifist?

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TomTheCatTomTheCat [Member]
2008-03-02 @ 12:41

sorry for my delay, i was offline until now...

i like your recent comment. and the last to questions made me laugh... sure i agree with that.

actually i was thinking quite the same before. i just would prefer if it came from a prostitude herself. and only that's what i object to: the point of view.

so i thought: if you are already embarrassed to t a l k about your meetings with prostitudes (if so), or your special interest in them (if so), than: how would you feel yourself to stand on the street in sexy underwear?
do you get my point?
if not, try it for an hour - and write about your feelings...

only to t a l k about the sex-selling from outside the business is quite 'interesting' as another comment said. yeah, interesting and exciting too? as exciting as talking serialkillers? or rapists?

that's the big problem with blogs: it's easy to write down words and ideas! (i do it myself too...) and it's funny to find 'friends' who agree and say: wow, interesting... and some rubbish more. but to go right into the dirt and see how it feels, that side is often missing.

therefor i like it the most, when people tell from their own experiences in life and stick to it.

greetings from sweden
(where your matter is illegal!)
tom

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-03-02 @ 13:26

I get your point very well. And I have no embarrassment to talk about anything, when I think it contributes. But I think that prostitutes still have very little power to talk, and its the privileged responsibility to look after the less privileged. Or at least that is my belief.

Do I want to stand in short miniskirts in the street? No. But there are many jobs out there, which I would not take if I had the option to be a high class call girl (I am not going to mention which, not to insult anyone)

So the rest is a matter of degree and choice.
And do I stick to it, as much as I can. I put my name, I speak to people. I try to make people see human to be human, regardless of the job they take. This is the only thing I really believe in.

All the rest I am flexible about.

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TomTheCatTomTheCat [Member]
2008-03-02 @ 14:21

by the way, ranfuchs...
did you see, what you wrote?

"do you have to experience death penalty to be against it?
do you have to fight wars to be a pacifist?"

funny, you chose two examples (death penalty and war) it seems you are against...
you did not write:
let's make the death penalty faster or smoother or with backgroundmusic...
you did not write:
let's make the war funnier, healthier, more colourful...
no - you are against it!

(i like your blog!)

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-03-02 @ 14:33

Just to show that ideas don't have to come from personal experience. And for these two points:

1. I am not against capital punishment. Actually I quite like the idea.
2. I have enough personal experience with wars to know that it's pretty tricky to make them funny. They are already colourful enough though

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deleted user [Visitor]

2008-03-12 @ 10:33

Hooray! Legalize prostitution! Let's face it, there's shit jobs everywhere, and some are shitter than others, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist. Immigrants get protection from the government while they wash our toilets, drive our buses and mop our floors, so if there was a way of getting rid of these annoying pimps who keep trying to hawk me shitty drugs and over-charge me for having an extra hour or two I say yes! If I want to pay for sex then I should be allowed, and if a woman needs the money enough, well let her do what she wants.

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ranfuchsranfuchs [Member]
2008-03-13 @ 21:56

I like your attitude :)

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